Colombia and Mexico regularly see their share of violent activity—even though they aren’t engaged in a formal war. Rachel Kleinfeld of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace joins us to talk about how corruption, political conflict and state brutality combine to create unsafe places around the globe, which she writes about in “A Savage Order: How the World’s Deadliest Countries Can Forge a Path to Security” (Pantheon).

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The interview was originally published by KERA Think.