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Is NATO Still Europe’s Best Bet?

Rym Momtaz, Hans-Dieter Lucas, and Pierre Vimont discuss how Europe can build credible defense capabilities within the NATO framework.

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By Rym Momtaz, Hans-Dieter Lucas, Pierre Vimont
Published on Oct 21, 2026

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With Washington insisting that Europe take primary responsibility for its defense, European leaders need to develop a roadmap and command structure of their own.

Rym Momtaz, Hans-Dieter Lucas, and Pierre Vimont unpack why European capabilities must become separable, though not separate, from NATO, and how to get there fast.

This discussion draws on the article: 
Hans-Dieter Lucas, Adam Thomson, and Pierre Vimont, “Separable, not Separate: Governing Europe’s Collective Defense,” September 30, 2026, Carnegie Europe.

Hosted by

Rym Momtaz
Editor in Chief, Strategic Europe
Rym Momtaz

Featuring

Hans-Dieter Lucas
Fellow, Center for Strategic, Security, and Integration Studies
Hans-Dieter Lucas
Pierre Vimont
Senior Fellow, Carnegie Europe
Pierre Vimont

Carnegie does not take institutional positions on public policy issues; the views represented herein are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the views of Carnegie, its staff, or its trustees.

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