How deep is the security partnership between China and Russia really, beyond the curated images projected by the two propaganda machines? What sources of potential tension are there between Moscow and Beijing, and is the situation in Central Asia following the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan one of them? Please join Alexander Gabuev, Janka Oertel and Raffaello Pantucci to discuss these issues.

Podcast host Alex Gabuev is joined by Janka Oertel, director of the Asia program at the European Council on Foreign Relations, to discuss changing attitudes in Europe toward China and Russia, and the evolving relationship between Moscow and Beijing.