Carnegie’s Cyber Policy Initiative Co-Director Tim Maurer joined Benjamin Wittes on the Lawfare Podcast to talk about Maurer’s new book, Cyber Mercenaries: The State, Hackers, and Power. Maurer discussed how states such as the United States, Russia, China, and Syria have different models for how they engage with cyber proxies. Maurer explained that there is a strong interest in maintaining tight control on proxies to ensure that their actions are what the states intended.

This podcast was originally broadcast by Lawfare.