Speaking on the Background Briefing With Ian Masters, Carnegie’s Dr. Rachel Kleinfeld discussed violence and her new book A Savage Order: How the World’s Deadliest Countries Can Forge a Path To Security. Dr. Kleinfeld notes that although the world is witnessing the degradation of democracies and some political leaders flouting the rule of law that “none of the projected outcomes are inevitable.” She instead argues that “things change because people make them change.” A Savage Order becomes available November 6, 2018.

This interview was originally broadcast on the Background Briefing With Ian Masters.